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Post by moderateamerican on Nov 8, 2010 7:43:49 GMT -5
>I can't see gravity, but it's real and it exists.< You can also say you don't see Air,but it's real and you need it to live----right or not and I don't see GOD and you need him to exists.THINK ABOUT; Science has proven that air and gravity exist and the experiments doing so can be reproduced any time you wish. I'm certain your local commmunity college can help you set that up. Now, please prove to me why a god exists and why I wouldn't be here with out it. |
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Post by Cyberman on Nov 8, 2010 13:13:56 GMT -5
Attempting to prove to you something that requires faith is futile.
You are not a person of faith by your own admission.
The only way for you to see God is for you to open your spiritual eyes and begin to look for Him yourself.
Same way with reading the Word.
Some people read the Word because they are seeking guidance, while some people read the Word simply looking for contradictions and errors. I don't think anyone is attempting to convert you and force you to believe as they do. However, I cant't say the same thing about you. It appears you are attempting to convert people of faith to your way of faithless thinking.
Why do people of no faith attack people of faith and their God?
Do they run around the mall during the holidays and tell children that Santa isn't real too?
I mean, why do you seem to fight so passionately against something you claim is nothing?
Does nothing always get you so riled up?
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Post by Cyberman on Nov 8, 2010 13:47:36 GMT -5
"I'd like to see some evidence of an incident where someone was prohibited from freely excercising their religios rights.' I not sure about religious freedoms but this is definitely a violation of some constitutional rights. In America? www.youtube.com/watch?v=53EshiCys3g |
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Post by Administrator on Nov 8, 2010 14:19:13 GMT -5
Most of you guys have never met me in real-life.
Does that mean I don't exist?
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Post by Administrator on Nov 8, 2010 14:45:41 GMT -5
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Post by moderateamerican on Nov 8, 2010 15:07:00 GMT -5
Attempting to prove to you something that requires faith is futile. You are not a person of faith by your own admission. The only way for you to see God is for you to open your spiritual eyes and begin to look for Him yourself. Same way with reading the Word. Futility is arguing about this point. We're never going to get anywhere. I require proof because faith just doesn't cut it. It's the ultimate display of gullibility. Show me some evidence. I have a very real problem with the things real people do in the name of an imaginary nothing. I'm fine with kids believing in Santa as long as they don't grow up killing each other in his name. Of course, children eventually come to terms with the realization that Santa is make believe. So, why not let children be children. However, at some point, we must all grow up and stop believing in fairies. As far as atheists attacking the faithful, we don't get physical over this stuff. There is no reason for me to attack anyone. Unless you consider me simply stating that there is no god is some kind of an attack on you. I'm disagreeing with your beliefs, not beating you up for them. The religious tend to be the ones doing all of the attacking. Why is it, that an all powerful, all knowing god, cannot stand up for himself? Oh, I know, he uses his followers to do his bidding. . . . . Or maybe, his followers do their own bidding in his name. Could it be that the only reason you see god and I do not is because you want to believe he is there? You look for god in everything because you have already made up your mind about the issue and you need no evidence. The absurdity of that position is completely beyond my comprehension. |
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Post by moderateamerican on Nov 8, 2010 15:14:14 GMT -5
Most of you guys have never met me in real-life. Does that mean I don't exist? Of course not, because, having posted a response in this thread, you have given evidence of your existence. I am inclined to believe that you could be real.
Text added by a non-existent entity.....You don't sound to convinced of my reality. You said you are "inclined" to believe that I "could" be real. Still you seem to doubt my existence. Shall I prove who and what I am, here at America Speaks Out? Just give me the "go ahead" and I will prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that you may have, that I am the admin of this forum. If I do that... That would kinda be like God standing up for Himself. If I do take admin-action on your account, you will be the first one to cry I was being UNFAIR to you because of your lack of faith, or I am abusing my admin permissions. When the truth will be "I was simply proving my existence to you per your own request." Respect and tolerance are two coins with two sides. It seems everyone demands tolerace, but no one wants to give it. Admin
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Post by moderateamerican on Nov 8, 2010 15:41:21 GMT -5
"I'd like to see some evidence of an incident where someone was prohibited from freely exercising their religious rights.' I not sure about religious freedoms but this is definitely a violation of some constitutional rights. In America? www.youtube.com/watch?v=53EshiCys3gThose people have the constitutional right to protest the concert from across the street on public property. There were no rights infringed upon in that video. You can't just go anywhere you please and harass people while they are going about their lives peaceably. Do you think that it is your right to go onto private property and protest against the legal activity going on inside. Be very careful answering that question. Is it's legal for you, it's legal for me. Does that mean I can go onto church property and protest the mental child abuse I believe is taking place. |
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Post by Administrator on Nov 8, 2010 15:47:40 GMT -5
"I'd like to see some evidence of an incident where someone was prohibited from freely exercising their religious rights.' I not sure about religious freedoms but this is definitely a violation of some constitutional rights. In America? www.youtube.com/watch?v=53EshiCys3gThose people have the constitutional right to protest the concert from across the street on public property. There were no rights infringed upon in that video. You can't just go anywhere you please and harass people while they are going about their lives peaceably. Do you think that it is your right to go onto private property and protest against the legal activity going on inside. Be very careful answering that question. Is it's legal for you, it's legal for me. Does that mean I can go onto church property and protest the mental child abuse I believe is taking place. I don't know if you would go into a church building and practice the same tactics you are trying here. Do you think it is your right to come into this forum and protest those of faith and insult them with cleverly disquised personal attacks? I again remind all members of rule #4. |
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Post by Cyberman on Nov 9, 2010 2:55:03 GMT -5
If that's what you truly believe is going on there, then you should certainly do something about it. Speak out! Go to the authorities. Get on the news. Awwww, lookie here. I think we got the first warning badges. *snicker* Let's steer this thing back on subject I guess.  Sweeper: "This thread is intended to encourage people to read the constitution and understand their rights." Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. |
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Post by moderateamerican on Nov 9, 2010 10:14:49 GMT -5
I know of no other way to say this so here it goes... If that's what you truly believe is going on there, then you should certainly do something about it. Speak out! I believe that teaching children that they are fundamentally flawed from birth and must seek the approval of a supernatural deity or face an eternity in agonizing pain is indeed child abuse. It is a viscous cycle that is repeated billions of times around the world every day. It's wrong!!! |
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Post by moderateamerican on Nov 9, 2010 10:30:22 GMT -5
I'd like to explain to everyone that I am in no way intending to mount an attack, personal or otherwise on anyone with my posts. I merely wish to include another American viewpoint which it seems starkly opposes those that are the norm here at America Speaks Out.
I am an American. I served in the Army and I vote at every election. I have a deep love for my nation and I feel a need to help it live up to it's potential. It also just so happens that I am an Atheist. That word describes what I do not believe in. Secular Humanism is a phrase which describes what I do believe in. The basic tenants of Secular Humanism are that morals do not originate from religion. Man can be good for goodness sake.
I'm not here to turn you all into atheists, but I would like you to acknowledge our rights as human beings.
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Post by mksred on Nov 13, 2010 5:42:34 GMT -5
Good luck with that Moderate, it'll b fun around your house no doubt-if your taking fantasy out of their world.
Children develop some of their creative abilities through fantasy, critical thinking skills by sorting out make-believe and reality, and sometimes coping skills when reality is too overwhelming or intense for their young minds to process facts about the real world.
With the Christmas season coming upon us, Moderate, I hope that with your scientific/non-fantasy approach to life you will be able find time and desire to watch a few Classic Christmas movies full of fantasy and imagination. The world can be a tough, mean, dirty place - who couldn't use a mental break from reality sometimes? Give your psyche a break, watch and enjoy some good ole fantasy based movies, your future children will appreciate it! :-)
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Post by Mike on Nov 13, 2010 19:07:04 GMT -5
moderateamerican,
This quote from your latest:
"I'd like to explain to everyone that I am in no way intending to mount an attack, personal or otherwise on anyone with my posts."
Everything you have posted seems to me to be an attack on organized religion & ridicule people who disagree with you
You constantly repeat your same theme.
Is it your agenda to flood this forum with negative comments?
You seem to be an attack machine.
I for one do NOT welcome you or your closed one-track mind here.
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Post by moderateamerican on Nov 17, 2010 12:14:30 GMT -5
moderateamerican, This quote from your latest: "I'd like to explain to everyone that I am in no way intending to mount an attack, personal or otherwise on anyone with my posts." Everything you have posted seems to me to be an attack on organized religion & ridicule people who disagree with you You constantly repeat your same theme. Is it your agenda to flood this forum with negative comments? You seem to be an attack machine. I for one do NOT welcome you or your closed one-track mind here. Hehe, Now who's closed minded. Really?!?! I simply intend to provide my point of view. And that is that religion is ultimately a negative force in the world. It causes more problems than it could possibly solve. There is no malice in that statement. There is no ill will towards any man or woman in that statement. There is only a hope for a better world. |
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