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Post by sandraj on Jan 12, 2011 20:12:16 GMT -5
Glad you agree w/me, MA.
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Post by Cyberman on Jan 13, 2011 0:18:25 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I took a bit of time off, but I'm back. IMHO The people had been taught to hate their enemies. By God? Probably not, in my opinion he was referring to what secular scholars of the time were teaching. The same scholars that demanded the death of Jesus because what Jesus was teaching was in fact cutting in on their authority of the common people of that day. If God said to kill the wicked He probably had good reason. I don't think God views "death" like we mortals do. He is the giver of life, mankinds' decision to do things his own way (rebellion against God) resulted in our mortality. I've never read where God demanded the death of the innocent. I guess the definition of innocent depends on with whom you are discussing innocence with. The wicked usually see themselves as innocent. For example, most all of the prison population are unjustly imprisoned, if you believe what a convicted felon says about their personal situation of imprisonment. Funny thing how the creation attempts to judge the creator. Even funnier is how somone who doesn't believe in God seems to enjoy the discussion of what they claim is bullshit. Moderate, I will say this about atheist. They solidify my belief in God. Just the opposite of their usual intention. For that, I say thank you. In the old testament, at Jericho "God" comands the destruction of every living thing. Men women, children, livestock, EVERYTHING. What sin had the children committed? The livestock? It's all just ridiculous nonsense concieved by barbarous people from antiquity who were interested in placing their people on a pedestal by promoting them to "God's chosen people" status, and then using it as an excuse to steal from their neighbors, murder their enemies, and take their virgin daughters as sex slaves. The bible is filled with this kind of immorality. It's disgusting! Also, I discuss this nonsense in order to shed a light into the darkness. I have optimism that logic and reason will one day serve as a guiding light to those in need of answers instead of superstition. Welcome back mod The ole "Did God commit murder?" angle... ... when God ordered Joshua and his people to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan? What crime could be so great that entire populations of cities were designated for destruction? God told Moses that the nations that the Hebrew were replacing were wicked. How "wicked" were these people? The text tells us that they were burning their own sons and daughters in sacrifices to their gods. So we see that these people were not really innocent. For these reasons, God ordered the destruction of the people whom the Israelites dispossessed. They obviously weren't successful. What would the mid-east be like today had they succeeded in total annihilation of their enemies? Their enemies still burn their sons and daughters in sacrifice to their god. They burn them by strapping explosives to them and send them out amongst the enemy. |
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Post by Hoosier Hillbilly on Jan 13, 2011 6:39:10 GMT -5
God ordered Joshua and his people to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan
Don't forget Who placed this order. He had good reason, most where violent sinners, some were not - what do you suppose happened to those that worshiped God? That's right, they were going to a much better place than they were now. Kind of reminds me of present times.
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Post by moderateamerican on Jan 20, 2011 10:28:44 GMT -5
God ordered Joshua and his people to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan Don't forget Who placed this order. He had good reason, most where violent sinners, some were not - what do you suppose happened to those that worshiped God? That's right, they were going to a much better place than they were now. Kind of reminds me of present times. The problem is, as I see it, that there is no other place. The Israelites killed innocent children for no reason other than they wanted to. So they made up an order from "god" to justify it. Just as it is immoral to burn children in sacrifice to the "gods", it is also immoral to kill them to free them of this treatment. Why wouldn't an all loving, all knowing "god", punish the wicked and spare the innocent. Why couldn't he have said, "Deliver the innocent from evil by punishing the wicked"? I believe it's because that would not have served the purposes of the people who wanted to concur the "wicked people's" city and take what was theirs for their own. These thing's appear to be beneath what I would think of as a supreme being. They seem very human to me. Which is what they were. The actions of humans to satisfy very human desires. Nothing more. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 10:41:34 GMT -5
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Let's learn about Islam and Muslim extremists
Mod, at least make an effort to stay on topic or start an "Atheist vs Theist" thread or a "I hate religious people" thread.
Thank you.
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Post by moderateamerican on Jan 20, 2011 19:02:44 GMT -5
Topic: Let's learn about Islam and Muslim extremists Mod, at least make an effort to stay on topic or start an "Atheist vs Theist" thread or a "I hate religious people" thread. Thank you. Point taken about staying on subject. It seems this thread has indeed gone way off course. However, I just want you to know, I don't hate religious people. I'm certainly anti-religion, but I'm always pro-people.  |
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Post by Hoosier Hillbilly on Jan 21, 2011 6:38:02 GMT -5
 Kind of 'lengthy' but worth the read: What Really Riles Muslim Extremists? by Dinesh D'Souza Many atheists, and even some believers, would like us to believe that Muslim fanatics are doing this in the hope of going straight to heaven, so that they can enjoy the company of 72 virgins there [[ OK guys, 'i' know what 'U'r thinking - that can only happen once ]]. Some go as far as saying that religion itself is to blame, because it makes people susceptible to fanaticism, terrorism and violence. But this accusation against religion is nonsense. Even against Islam, it's questionable. Robert Pape's study of insurgency and suicide bombing shows that these actions have nothing to do with promises of heavenly reward. Rather, extremists are motivated by more mundane motives: they invaded our country, they stole our land, they raped my sister, and so on. Beliefs in God and life after death have proven far less dangerous to society than the attempts to establish the God-free utopia. Whether or not this is true, Islamist terrorism is a special case. The original suicide bombers, the Japanese kamikazes, were not motivated by religion but rather by fanatical loyalty to the emperor. The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka conduct suicide attacks in a desperate struggle over land and self-determination. If religion is the problem, where are the Buddhist suicide bombers? Nor has anyone been able to identify the Christian bin Laden, the Christian equivalent of al-Qaida or Hezbollah, or the Christian country today run along the lines of post-Khomeini Iran. Most people in the world believe in God and the afterlife, yet hardly any of them launch suicide attacks in the hope of going straight to heaven. The atheist attack on religion fails. But even more significant, it boomerangs on the atheists. To see why, you have to understand the larger atheist critique. For two centuries, atheists have said that belief in the next world detracts from the pressing task of improving this one. The afterlife, in other words, is anti-life. We see this in the subtitle of Christopher Hitchens' book, How Religion Poisons Everything. But the most famous atheist to make this accusation was Karl Marx. Marx famously said religion is the "opiate of the people." He meant that religion is a kind of drug that numbs us from being aware of social injustice. Marx's call to eradicate religion was taken up with a vengeance by a host of dictators: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Enver Hoxha, Fidel Castro and Kim Jong-il. These despots have collectively killed millions more than even bin Laden could ever dream of orchestrating. Beliefs in God and life after death have proven far less dangerous to society than the attempts to establish the God-free utopia. Fine, let's listen to the atheists who say we need to watch out for heaven-seeking Muslims bent on blowing up civilians and flying planes into buildings. But let's be just as vigilant against atheist fanatics who are willing to murder millions in order to establish their version of heaven on Earth.
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Post by moderateamerican on Feb 11, 2011 11:54:09 GMT -5
Anyone who claims to commit murder in the name of atheism is lying. Just as Islamists use religion to justify their deeds, so too does someone who uses Atheism to do the same.
True Atheists will simply ask that you open your eyes to the world around you and make judgements based on the facts and not superstition. We know that we cannot force you to see the truth. It's up to each individual to open his or her eyes and choose to leave their ignorance behind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 13:41:41 GMT -5
Good post Mod.
Similar to one of my posts on a Facebook discussion page, cept my was from a believer's point of view.
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Post by Hoosier Hillbilly on Nov 17, 2011 5:26:31 GMT -5
Check this out: islamoncapitolhill.com/------------------------------------------------------------------------ BUT... on September 25, 2009 from 4 AM until 7 PM, a National Day of Prayer FOR THE MUSLIM RELIGION was Held on Capitol Hill, Beside the White House. There were over 50,000 Muslims in D.C. that day. President Obama
canceled the
21st annual National Day
of Prayer ceremony HE PRAYS WITH THE MUSLIMS! I guess it Doesn't matter if "Christians" Are offended by this event - We obviously Don't count as "anyone" Anymore. The direction this country is headed should strike fear in the heart of every Christian, especially knowing that the Muslim religion believes that if Christians cannot be converted, they should be annihilated. |
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